tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2627032459273165000.post6249869200471862293..comments2024-03-26T05:01:57.793-07:00Comments on DREAMS ARE WHAT LE CINEMA IS FOR...: CACTUS FLOWER 1969Ken Andersonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04940648971296673233noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2627032459273165000.post-5174775964084594812021-12-18T14:05:03.028-08:002021-12-18T14:05:03.028-08:00I'm so pleased you enjoyed it. Thank you very ...I'm so pleased you enjoyed it. Thank you very much for the lovely comment and taking the time to check out this old post.Ken Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04940648971296673233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2627032459273165000.post-62455938976054572302021-12-18T08:39:20.563-08:002021-12-18T08:39:20.563-08:00Ken, as usual, insightful and delightful. Ken, as usual, insightful and delightful. Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01560245791817155573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2627032459273165000.post-20784240602728262012019-12-10T00:17:12.347-08:002019-12-10T00:17:12.347-08:00It took me so long to respond to your comment, I m...It took me so long to respond to your comment, I missed an earlier post you made listing several of the kind of trying 60s sex comedies that proliferated during the time and made movies such a chore.<br />Great observation about the out-of-character suicide attempt by Hawn's character. I see her as more fragile, which makes that scene where Bergman confesses all, feel somewhat cruel to Hawn's character. It reminds me of ANY WEDNESDAY (a sex comedy I loathed) in that the playing with emotions is supposed to be so funny and farcical, but leaves a sour taste if the actors are not appealing (which Jason Robards isn't).<br />Matthau's charm saves CACTUS FLOWER from such a fate.<br />It's terrific how you are so familiar with the real-life filming locations. I don't know NY very well, but when I see older films set in LA, I always get a charge out of it, recognizing sometimes no longer standing buildings and houses.<br />I've never seen a theatrical production of this, but in having read it, I agree with you that the film strikes me as an improvement upon the stage play. It certainly a 60s comedy that has managed to age somewhat gracefully and never really manages to embarrass itself.<br />Thanks for contributing your locale-informative comment to this post.Ken Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04940648971296673233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2627032459273165000.post-43173394482865667392019-12-06T22:54:56.541-08:002019-12-06T22:54:56.541-08:00Superior to the stage play as well as the 2 other ...Superior to the stage play as well as the 2 other stage to film adaptations directed by Gene Sacks: The Odd Couple and Barefoot in the Park. The New York city locations allow the play to blossom. Hawn is a co-star not really a supporting player and Hawn's character's attempted suicide at the beginning seems like a plot contrivance since based on what we subsequently see of her it seems unlikely and out of character. The theme song is awful, but once the film gets going it generates a lot of fun and Bergman and Hawn actually make us care. The supporting cast is first rate and much of the film was actually shot in and around the Greenwich Village neighborhood my cousin lived in. The record shop was directly across the street from his apartment and the ice cream shop was on the ground floor of his building and around the corner on the corner of 8th Avenue and 9th Street was Trudi Heller's used as the club (under a different name) in the film the building is still extant today. Cactus Flower is superior to most of the movie farces of the 60s and still remains worthwhile.Joseph Kearnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03360334357262197758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2627032459273165000.post-60024975035822583272019-11-12T11:11:55.438-08:002019-11-12T11:11:55.438-08:00Ha!! That is the most delightful anecdote! I'v...Ha!! That is the most delightful anecdote! I've never heard it before and I'm forever grateful to you for now making that wonderful story a part of this CACTUS FLOWER post!Ken Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04940648971296673233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2627032459273165000.post-41596900255734589662019-11-12T10:44:23.518-08:002019-11-12T10:44:23.518-08:00Aw, thank you Ken, but this link here provided mos...Aw, thank you Ken, but this link here provided most of the information: http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/12485/Cactus-Flower/articles.html<br /><br />"Lauren Bacall had played Stephanie in the 1965 Broadway version of Cactus Flower, earning the kind of critical raves she'd rarely had for her film roles. When the film rights were sold to producer Mike Frankovich, Bacall was confident she'd get the role unless Frankovich wanted someone younger (the character was in her mid-thirties; Bacall was a decade older). Instead, Frankovich offered the part to Ingrid Bergman, who was 54. Bacall was furious, and was very vocal about her disappointment, saying of Bergman, "I hate that woman!"... As for Lauren Bacall, she soon got over her disappointment in losing the role of Stephanie by going on to an even bigger stage success in the musical, "Applause", which won her a Tony Award. Bergman went to see the play, and afterwards went backstage and knocked on Bacall's dressing room door. When asked by Bacall's assistant who it was, Bergman said, "Tell her the woman she hates more than anyone else in the world wants to see her." According to Bergman, Bacall smiled and greeted her warmly, and "we've been great friends ever since." Both were in the all-star cast of "Murder on the Orient Express", which won Bergman another Oscar as Best Supporting Actress."<br />Chynna Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01857709217067584091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2627032459273165000.post-89630609455637666702019-11-11T21:14:51.919-08:002019-11-11T21:14:51.919-08:00Wow! What fascinating factoids about CACTUS FLOWER...Wow! What fascinating factoids about CACTUS FLOWER! I didn't know lee Grant was a consideration for the role. Bacall opposite Matthau might have been interesting, given how she has a starchy formality that reminds me of what Glenda Jackson projected opposite Matthau so successfully in HOUSE CALLS and HOPSCOTCH.<br />I would love to have seen Yvonne DeCarlo as Stephanie. She would have brought an earthy quality to the role...plus, she knows her way around a comic line.<br />I don't know the story of Bacall's reaction to Bergman assuming the role she originated, but the imagination soars given the players. Thanks a million for the link to the excellent bit of moviemaking reverie from Rick Lenz! Loved it!<br />I'm flattered you'd be interested in my thoughts on Mattahu and his films. He really isn't represented enough here, that's for sure.<br />I thank you so much for your fascinating contribution to this post. Every time you drop by, we all learn so much!Ken Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04940648971296673233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2627032459273165000.post-45953451437061105012019-11-03T14:36:11.728-08:002019-11-03T14:36:11.728-08:00Hi Ken,
You know my thoughts on the more dated asp...Hi Ken,<br />You know my thoughts on the more dated aspects of this film, so here are some of my other thoughts in short(ish) form:<br /><br />For me, it's hard to imagine how Lauren Bacall would have fared onscreen with Matthau, seeing how she was working off Barry Nelson on Broadway. Matthau's first choice was Lee Grant, who I think would have been a better balance with him than Bacall. Now I can see where others are coming from when they say Bergman might be too "classy" with not enough grit, but you'll find no complaints from me there. She just might be the most ageless 54-year-old I've ever seen. (Apparently the character was originally meant to be 35.) <br /><br />Recently, I found out who played Stephanie in one touring production in the 70s: Yvonne De Carlo. Now THAT's inspired casting. (Also, I have some affection for her because she's Canadian like me :) <br /><br />I don't know if you know the story of Bacall's reaction when she found out who was playing her in the film, but in a darkly comic way, it's almost funnier than anything in the movie. Anytime I've read or heard about a bad experience with Bacall, said stories toe the line between "not wanting to be on the receiving end" and "so over the top that you feel bad for laughing a little" (at least for me). I actually have my own secondhand Bacall story from the set of "Birth", but I didn't want to pile onto the ones already in your "Misery" post's comments section. What I will add is Rick Lenz's post on the play vs. the film and the leading ladies. https://www.ricklenz.com/lauren-bacall-discovered-ingrid-bergman-crush/<br /><br />I would be overjoyed to see you tackle more Matthau movies on your blog. Not only to see the terrific slow-burn cultural snapshot that is "Pelham One Two Three", but also underrated films like "Charley Varrick".<br /> Chynna Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01857709217067584091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2627032459273165000.post-29190592928070068362013-11-08T06:45:38.421-08:002013-11-08T06:45:38.421-08:00I know what you mean about Goldie Hawn's Oscar...I know what you mean about Goldie Hawn's Oscar win. She's awfully good in this, but in my opinion, her competition was so much stronger. <br />Maybe it had something to do with the large amount of elderly Academy voters at the time, and how they felt about such an old-fashioned film compared to some of the more challenging entries from the other nominees. <br />That aside, all you say about Bergman and the overall breezy charm of the film is shared by me. And Fonda is worthwhile to watch in anything. Almost!<br />Thanks again, Joel!Ken Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04940648971296673233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2627032459273165000.post-77314680612830025722013-11-07T17:22:09.645-08:002013-11-07T17:22:09.645-08:00Hi Ken,
I liked your comparisons of the changing ...Hi Ken,<br /><br />I liked your comparisons of the changing of film styles and the clashing of the two in the late 60's. It's so true looking back now it seems an overnight conversion.<br /><br />This is a movie that contains lots of charms chief among them for me is Ingrid Bergman's gradual evolution from bristling efficiency to breezy soubruette to joyous reawakened femininity. Even in her starchy whites she has it all over Goldie Hawn's bubblehead but cloaked in that stunning blue evening dress she's irresistible.<br /><br />Not that I didn't enjoy Goldie's performance, you're right she's bursting with star quality and presence, but her kookiness only goes so far against Ingrid's timeless elegance and intelligence. As delightful as Goldie is and even with the grace with which she navigates her role there is no way she should have won that Oscar against Susannah York's soul baring work in They Shoot Horses Don't They? I am not someone who thinks dramatic work should trump comedic in awards recognition, comedy is extremely difficult to do well, but in this case I feel Susannah's work was the best supporting work that year. <br /><br />You mentioned several films that represented the collision of the old and new styles that were leering and sexist and I would agree with most but I have to confess my affection for Any Wednesday, not for any intrinsic value of the film but because Jane Fonda, who I love in most anything, is at her fluttery bubbly early career best and Rosemary Murphy is a chic delight as well as marvelously droll, both do wonders with the material.joel65913https://www.blogger.com/profile/14526657073681774683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2627032459273165000.post-90806723585310691322012-12-05T18:03:49.134-08:002012-12-05T18:03:49.134-08:00Hi GOM
I had no idea about Matthau being considere...Hi GOM<br />I had no idea about Matthau being considered for "Seven Year Itch"! I agree, I think he would have been marvelous.<br />The observation you make about throwing infidelity to the humor forefront as a way of letting off sexual tension (socially speaking) may just be what lies at the core of that phenomenon. It makes perfect sense in our sexually repressed, pressure-cooker environment that the only way we could "deal" with the issue of infidelity was to make it titillating comedy fodder.<br />By the way, that's a very nice point you make about how Matthau would be a terrific character actor in classic-era Hollywood and how the "anti-glamour" of the New Hollywood allowed for him to not only achieve leading-man stardom, but to be regarded as something of a sex symbol! For that I owe the 70s a big thanks!<br />And you too, thanks for such an info filled comment!<br />Ken Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04940648971296673233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2627032459273165000.post-22116733985436973362012-12-05T17:17:00.010-08:002012-12-05T17:17:00.010-08:00What a great photo and comment from Walter Matthau...What a great photo and comment from Walter Matthau - thanks for sharing! Matthau strikes me as one who would have made it as a great character actor in classic-era Hollywood, with his basset-hound features and dryly sardonic voice. One of the good things about the New Hollywood of the 70s was that it allowed Matthau to become a big star, even a sex symbol! (and the other comments are right, his last shot in 'Pelham' is priceless). <br /><br />I thought your points on sex-lies-and-adultery in farce were quite interesting - in such a straitlaced American culture, perhaps making a joke of infidelity was a way to let off steam in a culture with such high standards (the great 1937 comedy 'The Awful Truth' is all about who did/didn't commit adultery and whether or not it matters). It's also interesting that you mentioned 'The Seven-Year Itch' in connection with this, since it does seem to be a precursor to the kind of sit-com marital farce style of later movies like 'Cactus Flower' or 'Under the Yum Yum Tree' (which I also found distasteful, for its drawn-out prurience). BTW, when Billy Wilder made the film of 'Seven-Year Itch,' he originally wanted to cast a young Walter Matthau in the husband's role, done on stage by Tom Ewell. The studio balked, feeling that casting a (then) unknown was too risky, so Ewell repeated his stage role. Seeing Ewell on film, I think Matthau would have been MUCH more effective.Grand Old Movieshttp://grandoldmovies.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2627032459273165000.post-6248623615177649972012-12-01T18:25:55.147-08:002012-12-01T18:25:55.147-08:00Wow! That's a terribly kind thing to say. I...Wow! That's a terribly kind thing to say. I'm outrageously flattered and pleased that you find something of interest in my posts. It's really the nicest thing you could have said to someone who just loves movies and wanted to create a journal of experience of them as a fan.<br />However, I caution you on endeavoring to see all the films I've written about...I can't vouch for the lasting effect it will have on your mind (or taste). :-)<br /><br />Still, it pleases me very much that we share similar tastes in films like "Cactus Flower" and that you find something worthwhile in revisiting this site, I feel very grateful that you've found the site. Thanks for a lovely comment!Ken Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04940648971296673233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2627032459273165000.post-86160602397419220192012-12-01T13:28:25.280-08:002012-12-01T13:28:25.280-08:00This is by far the best blog I've discovered t...This is by far the best blog I've discovered this year. I could spend hours reading your reviews over and over again. I'm making it my goal to one day watch all the films mentioned that I haven't seen. As for Cactus Flower, it's one I've watched quite a bit from my childhood. I still cherish my VHS copy.bathtubginjazzhttp://bathtubginjazz.tumblr.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2627032459273165000.post-45574867894004085672012-11-29T00:58:00.462-08:002012-11-29T00:58:00.462-08:00Hi R.D.
As with all of your comments, I really enj...Hi R.D.<br />As with all of your comments, I really enjoyed reading your impression of “Cactus Flower”; especially our shared feelings about its old-fashioned sensibilities and your very interesting take on Ingrid Bergman. I adore Lauren Bacall and would have loved to have seen what she did with the part, but I think the well-taken point about Bergman being too good for the part might play a strong part in why she seems to convert the material to something considerably better than it is. Her 40s glamour seems to bump the film up a notch.<br /><br />You have a perceptive eye for performances, by the way. I think Hawn is excellent in the film, but as you note, in that first scene she seems to take some time to get your engine warmed up. She lays on the “laugh-In’ shtick pretty heavy, and you’re afraid she’s going to be like this for the whole film. She improves as the scene progresses.<br /><br />I bow in appreciation to your very kind compliments and thank you again for your unerringly well-considered observations. Thanks so much.<br />Ken Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04940648971296673233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2627032459273165000.post-40263924183844560212012-11-28T23:01:19.393-08:002012-11-28T23:01:19.393-08:00Ken, you had so many insightful things to say abou...Ken, you had so many insightful things to say about the film and especially of how it fit into what was happening in the American film industry at the time--wonderful analysis there, by the way--that I can't comment on it all. But I can tell you that I responded to everything you said, nodding in agreement the whole way through. I saw this just a few months ago myself and found it enjoyable but strange in its wholly old-fashioned sensibility masked (unconvincingly) as something hip and contemporary. You caught this in my favorite line in the post: "Because there’s so little about Cactus Flower that actually reflects the year in which it was made, I think it plays better now than it did in 1969." I felt guilty about enjoying the movie as much as I did because of this madly out-of-sync element. <br /><br />I've never been a big fan of Goldie Hawn, but she was very good, at least after the first few minutes. The thing I had most reservations about was Ingrid Bergman. This was a far better role than most actresses of her age, someone associated most strongly with the 1940s, managed to get in 1969. But I somehow felt she was too good for the part and that this kind of romantic comedy wasn't really her forte. I actually wish that Lauren Bacall could have played the part. I think the slightly prickly quality to her screen image would have served the character well. Anyway, great post.R. D. Finchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05045080274131718843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2627032459273165000.post-31181800444545877272012-11-28T18:12:32.823-08:002012-11-28T18:12:32.823-08:00Aw, thanks so much, CAL
I like your description of...Aw, thanks so much, CAL<br />I like your description of how "Cactus Flower" makes you feel. I have to say that I feel the same way. It's an easy film to grow fond of...so many marvelous moments and that terrific cast. <br />Thanks for mentioning the soundtrack and the great Quincy Jones song Sarah Vaughn sings. I was always under the impression that it had been nominated for an Oscar, but I was mistaken. I have the song on my ipod.<br />Truthfully, I wasn't really sure if Hawn's record store was really in Greenwich Village, so I am so pleased that you indicated the street, and can't tell you how cool I think it is that you pay occasional homage to that long lost location. You've got great instincts, CAL!Ken Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04940648971296673233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2627032459273165000.post-14892748179307867742012-11-28T17:46:05.857-08:002012-11-28T17:46:05.857-08:00Thank you Ken for shining a spotlight on one of my...Thank you Ken for shining a spotlight on one of my all time favorite films. I never get tired of watching CACTUS FLOWER. It never gets old for me. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Nice performances by everyone involved. <br /><br />I have the soundtrack to this and I just love Sarah Vaughan's rendition of the theme song, "The Time For Love Is Anytime".<br /><br />Every time I walk down 8th Street in Greenwich Village I make it a point to walk by where the record store Toni worked in was.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2627032459273165000.post-8077316123975876522012-11-28T16:15:21.487-08:002012-11-28T16:15:21.487-08:00Hi Joe
Yes, Ingrid Bergman is so good in this film...Hi Joe<br />Yes, Ingrid Bergman is so good in this film. She's charming as hell, but I think I get the biggest kick out of how nasty she is in her scenes with Jack Weston character. Such timing!<br />Short of Polanski's "Pirates" (what was that about?) I've liked Matthau in most everything. And I love that you mentioned that great parting shot of him in "Taking of Pelham..." Brilliant! You're so right that he was an appreciated but underrated, extremely versatile actor.<br />Thanks, too, for bringing up "40 Carats"...it takes virtually the same ingredients as "Cactus Flower" and gives an abject lesson on how to mishandle them. Brilliant connection you made!<br />Joe, you always say such nice things, but you also provide valuable nuggets of related film info that expands upon and adds to what I write. I really appreciate it. Thanks!Ken Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04940648971296673233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2627032459273165000.post-59337430303859916092012-11-28T15:26:40.920-08:002012-11-28T15:26:40.920-08:00You are so right about the cast hoisting this one ...You are so right about the cast hoisting this one over the top. Ingrid Bergman is pure charm here and it's fun to see her hand the baton to the new Hollywood generation in the form of Goldie Hawn.<br />Walter Matthau has always seemed criminally underrated to me, despite his Oscar win and great popularity. Just watched 'Taking of Pelham One Two Three' recently and the combination of his humor and physical power blew me away all over again (he also gives that film one of the greatest closing shots I've ever seen through nothing more than a perfectly timed facial expression).<br />It's interesting to compare 'Cactus Flower' with the film of another Broadway hit by the same writers that came out a few years later - '40 Carats' - which was killed by the bizarre miscasting of Liv Ullmann in the lead.<br />Thanks for another great post! Joe Meyershttp://blog.ctnews.com/meyersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2627032459273165000.post-13050023458196812982012-11-28T09:22:28.182-08:002012-11-28T09:22:28.182-08:00Hi Peter
Before I thank you for your very kind com...Hi Peter<br />Before I thank you for your very kind comments, I'd like to take the opportunity to tell you how much I love your blog: Male Pattern Boldness (malepatternboldness.blogspot.com).<br /><br />You are just brilliant at what you do and your posts convey such a passion for sewing and fashion that even someone like me, who (quoting “Showgirls” can't thread a needle, has a blast looking over your humorous posts. My partner is a costume designer and huge fan of clever plays on words (He flipped over your blog's name!) so I've alerted him to your site. It's just great.<br /><br />Now, as for "Cactus Flower", I'm so happy you liked the post! Having lived through that period when movies morphed from studio system assembly-line product to the American New Wave, I have a fondness for some of those awkward transitional films that were neither fish nor fowl. <br /><br />I have only seen "The Big Cube" once (thanks, TCM!) but should own that one myself, and yes, I'm familiar with the campy "Die, Mommie Die." if you haven't seen the Jennifer Jones film (on Netflix instant watch as Cult of the Damned) you would get a huge kick out of it. It's a big fave.<br /><br />Always nice to hear from you, and if I'm responsible for alerting you to a beaut like "The Last Picture Show"...well, that pleases me no end. Thanks, Peter!<br />Ken Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04940648971296673233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2627032459273165000.post-65720447483766905912012-11-28T04:48:12.104-08:002012-11-28T04:48:12.104-08:00I enjoy all your reviews, Ken, but this is one of ...I enjoy all your reviews, Ken, but this is one of my favorites: you capture that confused late-Sixties/early-Seventies Hollywood era so well -- plus, I love (and own a copy of) "The Big Cube." (I'm assuming you've seen the giggle-worthy Charles Busch send-up, "Die, Mommie, Die.")<br /><br />And thank you for turning me on to "The Last Picture Show"! I missed that one the first time around.Peter Lappinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05109154527996679077noreply@blogger.com