Tuesday, September 27, 2011


Given the vast number of great films out there and the slim chance any of us have (in our all-too-brief lifetimes) of ever finding the time to see them all, one has to wonder why anyone would waste their moments watching (and re-watching) a film one already knows to be bad. 
Well, first off, the term “bad,” as applied to film, is a terribly subjective signifier governed by strict classifications of rank. For example: there’s straight-out unwatchable, bottom-of- the barrel bad, like Adam Sandler, Michael Bay, or Eli Roth movies; then there’s the waste-of-celluloid, forgotten-even-as-you’re-watching-it kind of bad you’re guaranteed with a Matthew McConaughey or Jason Statham film; and finally, there is the top-tier, rarefied, irresistible awfulness of a film like Valley of the Dolls. 

What makes this final category of bad so special is that, unlike the sluggish product born of dull incompetence and a lack of talent, this distinguished rank of terrible is the kind of delightfully vibrant, peppy wretchedness that only the truly talented can create. It entertains, it engages, it makes you laugh, it makes you cry (from laughing) ...in short, it does everything a good movie does...yet it's not. Now, that HAS to be some kind of achievement!
Patty Duke is Neely (Ethel Agnes) O'Hara: Nice kid turned lush!
Barbara Parkins as Anne Welles: Good girl with all the bad breaks!
Sharon Tate as Jennifer North: Sex symbol turned on too often!
Susan Hayward as Helen Lawson: A gut, fingernail, and claw fighter who went down swinging!

This hilariously self-serious film adapted from Jacqueline Susann's ragingly popular novel about three girls balancing career, romance, and pharmaceuticals in the seamy world of show business, is one of the best examples of that forgotten 60s subgenre: the glossy, career-girl soap opera. Films like Three Coins in a Fountain (1954), The Best of Everything (1959), The Pleasure Seekers (1964), and The Group (1966 ) all purported to be modern exposés on the lives of young, emancipated American womanhood, but what they really were were moldy cautionary tales warning women of the dangers of seeking lives outside of the traditional home and family.
Love Eyes
Career-girl Anne hopes to put the "double harness" on her boss, Lyon Burke (Paul Burke)

A master's thesis could be written (and probably has) on the many missteps taken in bringing Susann's sex-filled potboiler to the screen, but any such dissection has to start with the screenplay and director. Really, who thought it was a good idea to have 60-year-old Helen Deutsh and 57-year-old Dorothy Kingsley collaborate on a screenplay about three women in their 20s? With their tin ear for sixties idioms and maiden aunt's sense of shock at Susann's yawn-inducing concept of naughtiness (spelled out in bold letters in case we are dozing — Adultery! Pre-Marital Relations! Homosexuality! Abortion! Insanity!), Valley of the Dolls has all the up-to-date urgency of an issue of "Captain Billy's Whiz Bang."
53-year-old Mark Robson, the stodgily old-school director best known for that antiseptic paean to small-town debauchery, Peyton Place (1957), directs Valley of the Dolls as though he had made a bet with someone that he could make a 1967 film look like it was made in 1957. A bet he would win, I might add. Looking at the film's flat, high-key lighting (which makes location shots look as artificial as soundstages) and the stiff, camera-nailed-to-the-floor cinematography, one begins to understand why, in just a couple of years, Hollywood would be opening its doors and throwing directing jobs at anyone under the age of 30.
Although we're spared Neely's actual nightclub act, its look is reminiscent of "Steam Heat" from The Pajama Game. A number originated on Broadway by Carol Haney, and whose understudy was one Shirley MacLaine. MacLaine, who became a star after stepping in for the ailing Haney one night (holy 42nd Street!) incorporated the number into her own nightclub act for many years.

Everything. And there aren't even many "good" films I can say that about, but it's true. There's not a single thing about Valley of the Dolls I would change. It's a perfect aggregation of people capable of better delivering their worst. Jacqueline Susann - who had dreams of seeing her film cast with top-tier stars like Judy Garland, Candice Bergen, and Ann-Margret - loathed the cast of TV Guide unknowns assembled for her opus. (Lee Grant and Barbara Parkins were both from TVs Peyton Place.)
Lee Grant as Miriam Polar
The one-time blacklisted actress admits to only taking the role for the money 
Paul Burke was another familiar TV face, having done years of episodic TV and was best known for the series, Naked City. Sharon Tate was a starlet on her way up, after having appeared in The Beverly Hillbillies. Even Oscar-winner Patty Duke (The Miracle Worker) was primarily a television face...er, faces (she played twin cousins). When Judy Garland dropped out (or was kicked out) as Helen Lawson, 2nd choice Susan Hayward was hardly at the top of her career game, either.
There are likely many reasons why established stars were eschewed in favor of so many contract newbies, but the most likely reason is that the movie's wig budget didn't allow for big star salaries.
Random thoughts: How did she get all of that hair into that cab?
"Well, Broadway doesn't go for booooze and dope!"
Richard Angarola as Claude Chardot: "Art film" director and winner of the Pepe Le Pew Award for the world's worst French accent.
"Ted Casablanca is not a fag!" 
Neely asserts to sweet, emasculated, homophobe Mel Anderson (Martin Milner); a.k.a, Mr. O'Hara.
Although she gets plenty of competition, no one in  Valley of the Dolls really comes close to Patty Duke, who was the reigning queen of epically bad performances until Faye Dunaway blew her out of the water 14 years later with Mommie Dearest. Hers is the film's meatiest role, but that meat soon takes on a rancid smell once you get a sample of the risible dialog she's given ("Boobies, boobies, boobies...nothin' but boobies!"), and marvel at her tendency to bark, rather than speak it ("It was NOT a nuthouse!"). She's better than bad, she's magnificent.
Personality Plus. Sparkle, Neely, Sparkle!
With its old-fashioned plot full of wheezy, show-biz clichés, Valley of the Dolls' sole concession to modernity ('60s style) is in its eye-catchingly overblown fashion sense. The costumes are by Oscar-nominated designer William Travilla (The Stripper -1963, How to Marry a Millionaire -1953), the overkill is courtesy of The Sixties!
Neely O'Hara...younger than springtime - and twice as exciting!

In 2006, when Valley of the Dolls was released as a two-disc Special Edition DVD in a hot pink case loaded with camp-tastic extras, it became official: 20th Century-Fox was no longer going to pretend that Valley of the Dolls was anything other than what it was— deliciously entertaining, high-octane cheese. That moment of if-you-can't-beat-'em marketing lucidity was rather a long time in coming considering that the gay community had single-handedly kept the film alive for decades.
As is often the case when a cult film is discovered and embraced by the masses, there's a bit of something lost in the appreciation of it. Nostalgically, I miss the days when loving this film and enjoying it in theaters with the faithful was like a secret ritual enjoyed by the few. Today Valley of the Dolls is enjoyed by people who wouldn't know irony or camp if it hit them between the eyes. But without all that mainstream attention, Fox never would have gone through the trouble and expense of mounting such an impressive and well-deserved DVD package, so putting up with the hetero appropriators is a small price to pay.
A young Marvin Hamlisch accompanies that bundle of talent, Neely O'Hara
The first time I saw Valley of the Dolls it was in 1968 at the Castro theater in San Francisco. I was 11 years old and I went with my older sister who had seen the film the week before and raved about how good it was. Hard for me to imagine now, but at the time, I took Valley of the Dolls deadly seriously and even cried when Sharon Tate's character took that handful of pills and expired so glamorously on that ugly orange bed. I thought Barbara Parkins was very beautiful, but I was kind of confused by my teenage Patty Lane/Patty Duke's transformation into an adult with big hair and a potty mouth. I had been a fan of The Patty Duke Show, and I really don't think I was ready at so young an age to see Duke looking all puffy and exposed in a bra and half slip. The strongest memory I came away with that day was the almost traumatizing "wig snatching" scene. Not sure why, but it scared the hell out of me.
I'll never be able to view Valley of the Dolls through such innocent eyes again, but I'm gratified that it has finally come into its own as a mainstream cult hit. To this day it amazes me just how durably enjoyable and fresh it remains after so many viewings. Quotable, full of memorable, jaw-dropping scenes and over-the-top performances...this kind of bad is too good to be forgotten.

Neely's back alley breakdown

Copyright © Ken Anderson   2009 - 2011


  1. Believe it or not, I only saw Valley of the Dolls for the first time quite recently -- it really is jaw-dropping. My favourite bit: when Neely is belting out one of her awful songs, and the string of beads she's wearing around her neck somehow manages to loop around each of her boobs (you know the moment I mean!). The wig-tearing off scene: I love the artifice of it. Neely tears of Helen's bouffant auburn wig to reveal ... a bouffant grey wig underneath. It's STILL a wig!

  2. Hi bitter69uk
    I kind of envy anyone seeing this film for the first time. It's a virtual treasure trove of moments like the one you mentioned (A theatrrical staging of "Valley of the Dolls" by this troupe called Theatre-A-Go-Go recreated the infamous "boob framing sequence" by having the strings of beads sewn to the costume in that hilarious formation from the start). Why they didn't go foran alternate take or choose a cutaway is one of the reasons I love this film so much. Poor choices compounded by poor choices. And perhpas you touched upon what was so weird about that wig-pulling scene...A wig under a wig!!! Yikes! Thanks for commenting!

  3. First things first: when I read "Captain Billy's Whiz-Bang" I can only hear Robert Preston's voice saying it.

    Ok, now about the movie. It is a visual feast and that's why i love it. I love the hideous alexander calder stage set for susan hayward, the whole hairspray commercial sequence (the ancient artifacts!), the feathers, sequins, wigs - it's so over-the-top it's disgusting, and yet in that turns it delicious. I also enjoy looking at the broken and forgotten figurines that load up the sad little shelves at thrift stores - a great idea to someone at some time, but a disjointed and cluttery knick-knack in the grand scheme. And I guess that is why this film possesses a certain form of brilliance: most anything that tries too hard is mocked and forgotten. This film tries WAY TOO HARD, and yet somehow is timeless in its datedness, classic in its camp. I find myself watching once a year. Usually with a glass of wine. Or two. Or the whole damned bottle.

    1. How can anyone bag on the "hairspray commercial sequence". It is itself as pure a piece of mid-60's pop art as anything Warhol, Rosenquist, or Lichtenstein ever made . . . or Don Draper could have envisioned (story-boarded).

  4. Wow! I don't know of anyone else who would have gotten that "The Music Man" reference!!!

    Thanks for pointing out the mobile artist's name that I couldn't recall. Sometimes it's great just hearing what particular points of blessed awfulness stand out in the minds of people when it comes to VOTD. It seems a rule unto itself. There's no reason a film this bad should be so good, but it's WONDERFUL!

  5. This is one of my all time, hands down favorite cult films. It's so over the top bananas that it has to be seen to be believed!

    Never mind that it barely resembles it's source material in that it condenses the time span. I mean, what is the actual time span this is all supposed to be taking place in? It seems all this stuffs happens in the space of a year, if that.

    For a big budgeted film based on a national best seller the film was cast with actors and actresses that didn't have any box office clout whatsoever.

    Parkins was a TV star vis PEYTON PLACE. Duke did win an Oscar for THE MIRACLE WORKER and had another film, BILLIE under her belt but she was primarily known for her sit-com and a big box office draw she was not. Sharon Tate was not very well known and Susan Hayward's days as a leading lady were long gone by this point.

    And what about those leading men? Paul Burke?!! Tony Scotti?!! Martin Milner!!!!


    And yet it works in spite of itself.

    Barbara Parkins bears little resemblance to the "Anne Welles" in the book (Candice Bergen would have been a better choice but she backed out at the last minute) but her interpretation of the character is dead on.

    Patty Duke as Neely chews the scenery in an attempt to make everyone forget that she ever played identical cousins on television and damn near comes close to succeeding.

    Sharon Tate, the lesser known and less experienced of the three manages to strike a poignancy in her character...her eyes as she stares into the mirror right before committing suicide evoke so much more than any line of scripted dialogue could ever say.

    The movie works in spite of itself because it's so unintentionally bad it's good.

    Could a better movie have been made from the material?Probably. But I doubt it would be as entertaining as the version we got.

    1. Hi PamelaTiffinFan (Summer and Smoke is one of my favorites) yes, the speed with which success and downfall hits these girls might be a tad more poignant if we were given any sense of how much time transpires before they hit the skids.

      The point you make about the casting is well taken. I don't know if Fox had in mind they were going to make a film that lunched a bunch of up-and-coming stars, or if it was just bad judgement and budgetary concerns.

      I had to laugh at your observation about the leading men. Weak, weak, weak!

      Still, as you say, it is very very watchable, and when compared to that awful 80's TV update with Lisa Hartman (??!?), it's a masterpiece.

    2. Oh lord do NOT get me started on the travesty that is "Jacqueline Susann's Valley of the Dolls '1981'"!!!

  6. I have always loved Barbara Parkins' line reading when Anne tells Neely she is being "Obnoxious!"
    It never fails to make me laugh - along with too many other moments to count.
    I saw the stage version of the film script when they brought it to New York - I don't think I've ever seen anything funnier!

    1. Brilliant that you mention the Barbara Parkins line (indeed, beautifully delivered), for I'ts difficult to watch the film now without remembering how the actress in the stage version parodied it. So spot-on!
      When it comes to that stage show, I'd have to go back in my mind to those old Carol Burnett skits to think of movie take-offs that are as entertaining as the films themselves.

  7. I can't say I rewatch this film that frequently, I really have to be in the mood for some howlingly bad acting with my over the top fashions and will usually default to the superior acting of The Best of Everything or better yet the lavishness and wry knowing dialogue that is Woman's World, which I could watch once a week and be a happy man.

    However having read the book this year I really should give the film a re-view. The book wasn't that well written but Susann certainly gave more a sense of time and her characters had more depth than in the movie. Patty Duke in the movie was obviously adrift as well as horribly miscast although she's gone on record as being at war with the director whom she refers to as the meanest SOB that ever lived. She still manages to inject a shot of energy into most of her scenes, sometimes (often) too much but at least she's giving it her all.

    In the book I thought Anne was a sad fool but at least she had a pulse, Barbara Parkins was quite a beauty but yawn inducing in her line readings although she carries off those outrageous fashions with panache. It's comes as little surprise that she headed back to TV pretty quickly after this.

    Jennifer suffered the most loss of character between page and screen, I found her the most interesting person in the novel. Her reduced impact isn't Sharon Tate's fault I thought she gave a lovely gentle reading of the part. Her last few wordless minutes are really quite beautiful and moving, seemingly lifted from another better movie. I've seen the majority of her small filmography and I'd say she was more adept at comedy, love her in The Wrecking Crew, but a decent actress overall and had she not been killed would have had a good chance at a significant career, she was definitely considered a star on the rise at the time since she possessed that old time movie star glamour and presence.

    No one has mentioned Lee Grant but I love her in everything, even this. The intensity of her performance is what made Miriam, a complex crafty woman in the novel reduced to little more than a bit and hardly any backstory in the film, at least someone you took notice of. Someone more subdued would have been swamped by all the mess going on around her.

    The only truly star performance in this highly entertaining mess is by the specially billed MISS Susan Hayward. Stepping in as a favor to Robson who helmed her Oscar nominated turn in My Foolish Heart years earlier she must have had a better relationship with him than Patty did. Helen Lawson in the book was a coarse maneater unquestionably modeled on Ethel Merman but taken to an extreme. I'm sure Merman was a tough old buffalo but the character felt like a score settling device. I don't know if Susan insisted on that last humanizing scene in the movie but in that one scene she turns Helen from soulless bitch to hardened careerist with a canny sense of survival and what that takes. As a younger woman she could have made Neely work, as she did so many shaky vehicles handed her at Fox through the sheer power of her presence and immense talent.

    I read an amusing antidote, can't remember where, about the press conference for Susan Hayward's assumption of the Helen Lawson role after Judy's departure. The press was talking to Parkins while waiting for Susie to arrive, when it was time for her to come out Parkins said something to the effect "Allow me to introduce you to my co-star Susan Hayward" to gasps and frozen silence seeing as how Hayward had been a star before Parkins was born! Susan took it in stride ignoring the faux pas with graciousness and a smile and when called to the set with "Are you ready, Miss Hayward?" she responded "I was born ready!"

    As far as the leads being staffed with lesser lights it was because many higher profile actresses among them: Jane Fonda, Raquel Welch, Julie Christie, Petula Clark, Candice Bergen and Ursula Andress had already turned various roles down.

    1. Hi Joel
      I really loved that anecdote about Parkins and Hayward! Really a hoot!
      Tanks for sharing your thoughts on VOTD. I read the book back in high school and was surprised at how such a different yet similar film was culled from Susann's potboiler.
      Glad you mentioned Lee Grant in this, she always gets passed over in discussions about the film (Other than that "heat up the lasagna" line) and how she's always glowering in cutaway shots.
      I very much appreciate your sharing so many of your thoughts on this longtime favorite! Thank you very much!

  8. I know this is an older post, Ken, but I had to leave a comment because I saw VOTD for the 1st time a few weeks ago (a copy on Youtube), and I had a feeling you would have written on it! I found the film jaw-dropping from almost its opening moments, when Parkins in a voiceover recites about climbing Mount Everest to reach the Valley of the Dolls (huh?), over that bizarre pen-&-ink drawing of a mountain turning into a valley turning into 3 women, which looked like some novice's idea of Euro-Style 1960s Zagreb Animation (heavy, man, heavy), and left me baffled but hooked. One detail I adored, and I'd be curious to know if anyone else has noticed it, was how every time Parkins returned to visit her small Massachusetts home town, the place was loaded down with snow, as if existing in a Land of Perpetual Winter. I found myself wondering out loud if somehow it had escaped the effects of global warming. I also couldn't get over the lyrics of Susan Hayward's song about "planting my tree," which I gather doesn't refer to horticulture, but did anyone notice? There was also that infinitely touching scene in the sanitarium (NOT a nuthouse), when Neely & a wheelchair-bound Tony together break into song, while no one else reacts--no one even seems to be listening--until at the end poor Tony is wheeled off into merciful oblivion. Then there are the recurrent one-sided phone conversations Jennifer has with her never-seen mother, each giving us a nice bit of exposition ("Yes, Mother, I know I have no talent; Yes, Mother, I'm doing my breast exercises") to cover any plot points we might have missed (such script-writing economy!) as well as compress passages of time. I also think Patty Duke should have sued someone for the costumes and hair styles she was given; they couldn't have been worse if such hideous couture was deliberately written into her contract. Lastly, I now find myself having the occasional exhibitionist fantasy about standing outside a building and screeching "NEELY O'HARA!!!" to the heavens, just to see the reaction I would get from onlookers. Maybe the best way to deal with such a compulsion is to see the film again, as a way to get over it. Or maybe not ...

    Thanks for a great and enjoyable post!

    1. I love comments on older posts! I am fascinated that VOTD has eluded you all these years…Welcome to the asylum!
      It’s so refreshing to hear a newbies take on things I’d long gotten used to. Just reading your observations makes me want to watch the film again.

      For example, I never really dawned on me that Anne’s hometown exists in perpetual winter…like a living snow-globe. I love that you noticed that. Likewise, the silliness of that Helen Lawson song seemed less so when I was a kid and it seemed like every Ed Sullivan Show featured some kind of self-aggrandizing ballad (Gonna Build a Mountain, My Way, I Gotta Be Me, Don’t Rain on My Parade); one, as often as not, leaning heavily on a wobbly metaphor.

      While the fashions and the acting usually get the lion’s share of comment from veteran VOTD fans, I like that your attention was drawn to so many narrative clichés. Thank you for letting me see this film a bit through “fresh eyes.” Nice to know that this little classic still has viewers shaking their heads and wondering, “What were they thinking?”
      Thanks so much for your compliment, and for giving me a bit of a laugh at the expense of this one-of-a-kind movie!

  9. Has anybody else noticed that every time Barbara Parkins goes home to New England, it's always winter? Did somebody forget to pay the weather bill or something?

  10. Dear Ken. I have been visiting your site for some time, always poised to write something, then pulling back. I’ve no idea why! I feel a deep affinity with you and your taste in movies. We share a passion for many of the same films. I don’t draw a distinction between a masterpiece (eg Rosemary’s Baby) and a trash masterpiece (eg Showgirls). Even the worst films can hold immense value in my eyes. I love how you write with such passion and wit, and now I’ve got the ball rolling I intend to comment on more of your wonderful posts.
    So let’s get started with VOTD. I must stress that I am a huge fan of the book. I discovered it as a teenager in the 90s and devoured it with the kind of ferocity reserved for queer kids obsessed with the glamour of yesteryear. I think the book is a masterpiece of epic trash – but crafted with an incredible eye for narrative development and characterization. I think it’s only as I’ve gotten older that I’ve come to really appreciate just how insightful the book is about life itself. I recently lent my well-worn copy to a female friend (she loved it) who observed that it’s actually quite defiantly feminist in outlook. She also lamented how little has changed in the world since Ann Wells came to town.
    The movie is an entirely different beast however. I can do little to improve on your summary, but here are the things that interest me. I think that the title song is incredible. If you enjoy it, you really must check out KD Lang’s version, which is simply divine. Why on earth Helen Lawson didn’t sing THIS as her big number...well, nothing makes sense here. As another writer has noted, Jennifer North is the most interesting character in the book. They cut EVERYTHING about her character and journey that had me turning pages as fast as I could. To be fair, the whole movie is an absolute bastardization of the original text. Elements which are poignant on the page soon become laughable on the big screen. I love watching Neely almost drown in the sea, for all the wrong reasons.
    Oh how magnificent it would have been to see Judy Garland on screen here, though I’m sure it would have appeared cruel to her fans. Actually I would have loved to have seen Judy play Neely O’Hara, ‘aged-down’ so to speak. To imagine Candace Bergen was all set to play Ann breaks my heart. Barbra Perkins is so dull. I think Ann is supposed to be icy and aloof, but she has real determination and spark in a way that Barbra cannot really begin to uncover. I heard that Lee Daniels was developing a TV show based on VOTD, which sounds like a marriage made in heaven to me. I think the scope and timeline of the novel would suit long-form TV perfectly. In a world obsessed by Mad Men, it would be fascinating to see the world of these women actually set in the timeframe of the book. Surely there are young actresses lining up to play parts like these (and ruin their careers before they’ve even begun). That said, I think Elizabeth Berkley would make an astonishing Helen Lawson!

    1. Hi Daniel
      What a very nice comment. thank you! And welcome to the asylum, as it were! I'm happy you've enjoyed the blog and that we share not only a similar taste in a movies, but the philosophy which holds that the joy of film isn't restricted to those films deemed to be"good."
      It's great to hear that younger people respond to VOD (both the book and film) in ways similar to when both were "of the moment" hot topics.

      Your fondness for and appreciation of VOD is enjoyable to read, and I'm glad you shared your personal experience of it with us. It's been so many years since I read the book (but still have the paperback), I can't imagine the disappointment of fans in 1967 seeing the film made from it. Most everyone who comes to the book post-movie, is shocked it doesn't occur in the swinging 60s.

      It sounds like you too share a "what if" fantasy about how the film might have come out had some of the initial (more ideal) casting choices come through (Candice Bergen would have been wonderful, and I think Ann-Margret would have been good too ---although by now Patty Duke IS Neely in my mind). Judy Garland is always the big wish for em, since she never played a real bitch onscreen before, that would have been a blast in and of itself.

      I have the KD Lang VOD theme on my ipod. It really is an underappreciated song. I certainly was slow in getting on board with it. The prospect of someone reviving Valley of the Dolls is appealing (if only to erase the memory of the Elizabeth hartman?Bert Convy 80s mess), and I think your idea of Elizabeth Berkley as Helen is SO inspired, you should tweet her! It would cement the film in camp heaven from that casting alone.
      Have you only seen it on DVD or have you ever seen VOD at a theater? Just curious as to which experience you might prefer.
      Thanks a million for a lively comment contribution, and I very much look forward to hearing from you again!

  11. Hi Ken. I realize my VOTD thoughts are coming from a literary perspective, but generally I’m a film-buff not a novel reader. Just happens this is one of the few books I read again and again. In a parallel universe I can imagine being a teenager when it was released....the joy of reading the book and then being in tears at the screening of the movie. This is sort of referenced in a Bette Midler film called ‘Isn’t She Great’ with Bette as Jacqueline. There are some hilarious one-liners, even if Bette seems strange casting (in my eyes). Her sidekick is played by the divine Stockard Channing who would have made an incredible Jacqueline Susann. There’s a hilarious moment where Bette is in the park, screaming at God in the sky for her cancer diagnosis. She says something like “I’m only 27!” and a passerby audibly guffaws at her. I’ve never seen VOTD on the big screen, though it is on my big screen ‘bucket list’. I’ve seen Showgirls with a big audience and I imagine it would be a similar mass-hysteria vibe. Except that Showgirls moves at a mile a minute and VOTD crawls like a snail. In terms of a movie that is basically ‘inspired’ by a book (as opposed to an adaptation) I actually much prefer Russ Meyer’s Beyond The Valley...which is so exciting and downright hilarious throughout, I could happily watch it again and again. The best thing for me about VOTD is the visual camp panache of the whole affair, especially the beauty/fashion segments. Patty Duke’s performance is a valiant attempt to drive some energy into the film and she is endlessly enjoyable as a diva. I’m from the UK and don’t really have the cultural awareness that Patty had with audiences at that time, though I gather it was a shock to see her being such a bitch. I’ve got my fingers crossed that Lee Daniels gets his TV version off the ground. My dream casting would be something like this....though I know they’re too old already: Natalie Portman as Ann, Scarlett Johansen as Jennifer, Adele (the British singer) as Neely and of course Elizabeth Berkley as Helen. I hope Lee Daniels is paying attention to this!

    1. Hi Daniel
      I saw "Isn't She Great" but have almost no recollection of it. That scene you describe is so funny it should have jogged my memory.

      I remember seeing VOD onscreen back when it was new everybody in the audience was taking it dead seriously. Jump ahead about 20 years later I see it in a theater and you almost can't hear the dialog for the laughter!
      i tend not to be fond of the idea of remakes, but VOD would be fascinating to revisit. Part because it would be a challenge to see if any screenwriter or director could sidestep the iconic references succinctly to give new audiences a fresh experience (like they did with the brilliant Kate Winslet "Mildred Pierce").

    2. I agree. There is no reason that it could not be done almost as a history of show business from th3 40's to the 60's. Imagine MARTIN SCORCESE'S VALLEY OF THE DOLLS. I remember reading a piece at the time about the ushers at the Chinese Theater where it premiered going to hush a patron who was laughing so hard she was disturbing people, only to find out it was Natalie Wood. They escorted her to a private viewing room.

    3. Hi Randall
      Just the thought of a director like Scorsese tackling a property like "Valley of the Dolls" is exciting to contemplate. A great many extraordinary films have been made from source material that was little more than soap opera, and like you say, sticking to the novel's original time-frame would be fascinating.
      I mean, who would ever guess that such a marvelous cable series/film could have been culled from the low-budget appeal of 1973s "Westworld"?

      Wishful thinking, I know.
      By the way, I love that Natalie Wood anecdote! Thank you very much for commenting!

  12. This movie is good, although eternally disturbing, especially if you're a Gen X'er who has been trying to make up for NOT having the dysfunctional, self-destructive life that everyone from your generation was SUPPOSED to have.

    I had to be the one who WASN'T the heroin addict with divorced parents and a molesting uncle. Having had umpteen heart surgeries, and having made up for everything with pre-meditated Anorexia and a purposely-bruised abdomen, I STILL don't feel like a destroyed-enough Generation X'er, even though I wrote a poem about my own funeral at the age of 11.

  13. Just ran across a Carol Burnett VOTD sketch from 1968. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGfPy2KN7b4

    1. Thanks for the link, Rick!! I remember this from when it first aired. It's hilarious! All of them are good, but I'm surprised at how sharp Gloria Loring's comic delivery is. Thanks so much. Got a real laugh watching this.

  14. I just read Stephen Rebello’s terrific behind-the-scenes account Dolls! Dolls! Dolls!
    It’s got lots of pics, some of Travilla’s costume sketches and he absolutely nails Helen Lawson’s Broadway scene as “looking like the set of any variety’s stage In the 70s.” I immediately re-watched Valley and also first-time-watched Susan Hayward’s I’ll Cry Tomorrow which deliriously crazy/wonderful.

    1. This is my first time hearing of the book! I think I have a book on PSYCHO by that author , and he's so meticulous in his research, a book on DOLLS sounds just like the upper I need.
      I've never seen I'LL CRY TOMORROW, but from clips I can tell Hayward is hardly in underplay mode, so perhaps I should check it out after all these years. Thanks for the news about the book!

  15. I had seen this movie probably a dozen times before I found out that Patty Duke and Susan Hayward were dubbed by other singers. Hayward, in fact, was dubbed by the legendary Margaret Whiting. They sound exactly the way you'd imagine Duke and Hayward should sound. Amazing!

    Lee Grant's line about the lasagna is pretty funny, but her other famous line is the best one in the movie: "Tony, how many times do I have to tell you. At night, all cats are grey..." Huh?

    1. The the dubbed singing (especially for Patty Duke) is some of the best-matched I've ever heard. Given that Duke had put out so many records, when I was a kid I thought it was her real voice as well.
      Whiting is a very god match for Hayward, I forget who they got for the soundtrack LP (not Whiting's label, so no dice) but she's not half as good.
      And you're the second person in the last two weeks to comment on that "A night, all cats are grey" line. Even as an old proverb it never made much sense to me, but in the context that Tony's sister uses it (don't be swayed by her beauty, looks are unimportant) it inspires more head-scratching than comprehension.

  16. Hello Ken, for some reason I had never watched VOTD till recently recording it. What a hoot! Like you I love great bad movies. Gillian Girl commercial was awesome. The 60s (and 70s) rule. Felt like I was at Disneyland on "The Trip Thru Inner Space"! Ken my friend I knew this was a film for you and that I would find your comments and you did not disappoint me. Not sure how you watched it at 11 except for your sister's endorsement of it. I was 12 then...wait Jennifer's "Art" film would have provided as a term you used before "inspiration" I saved my recording so will watch again. It was on the "M" movie channel.Not sure how much it was edited. I know terms like "f-g" were silenced. Not sure if content was edited. You are a sharp guy so I was wondering about your view on such editing. Looks like another hetero guy is stealing your movie, so sorry but you can't keep all the wonderful trash for yourself!! Anyway thank you for being my favorite movie commentator.

    1. Wow! I've had this film in my consciousness for so long I can't imagine what seeing it for the 1st time must be like. Maybe just a campy time-piece. At age 11 it seemed very adult and mature. Even sophisticated. When you're that young, you haven't been exposed to all the soap opera clichés yet.
      Glad to hear you enjoyed it.
      Since we both grew up at a time when movies were butchered by commercials and heavily edited for family viewing, I don't have a problem with broadcast networks censoring movies for content now that we live in an age of streaming and cable, allowing for those same films being seen as they were intended.
      Having the choice seems to have softened my usual dislike for the way TV used to cut up films when those 3 networks were all we had.
      I hope you get the opportunity to see VOD unedited and perhaps in Blu-ray some day. It's a fantastically '60s looking film. If you haven't already seen it, sounds like it's time for you to discover "Beyond the Valley of the Dolls." It's solid gold trash.
      I'm pleased you enjoy the posts you've read here, and I thank you again for your compliments and comment contributions.

  17. anonymous here again...
    sold! off to find it now ;-)
    LOVE the "sequel" BTVOTD

    btw your trio of awful is too funny and I couldn't agree more with your choice of offenders

    1. Wow! ...a fan of BEYOND THE VALLEY who has never seen VALLEY. I hope you enjoy it! (Oh, and wouldn't you know it, both Adam Sandler [Uncut Gems] and Matthew McConaughey [Dallas Buyers Club] would go on to make movies to make me eat my words...although their subsequent output seems to have stayed gratingly to form).